6 minutes ago, Gnollrunner said:

However C++ still exists because there is a need for it.

This is fairly true. I'd say that you and @Lucrecious are both sorta right here: C++ is still a fairly in demand language/skill because it still remains the best performance-wise. That said, there are many cases where old codebases are written entirely in C++ and it's much more cost effective/easier just to maintain those bases than to port it all over to some other language. There's still a decent demand for Objective C programmers, which is surprising, given that Swift is essentially a replacement for Objective C (though I do believe there are some reasons to use Objective C, but don't quote me on this, since I'm not a mobile dev)

I'd definitely love to read/discuss this topic more, but I think it's fairly off topic here, so I'll refrain from adding more.

As for the actual thread topic, C++ and C# are both used to make games. Unity uses a variant of C#, many game engines make use of C++. I don't believe that game engines use languages other than C++, though there are probably some out there that do? Anyhow regardless, both are very useful languages. 

3 minutes ago, JoeJ said:

http://xenko.com/

Entirely C# (which is all i know about it)

Huh, so there we are. A non C++ game engine. I'm sure more exist like it.

I personally would love to see a game engine written in Shakespeare.  

4 hours ago, TMII said:

I ask you kindly to refrain from such statements in the future.

I understand this discussion got a bit heated with C#/C++ already. I am ending this discussion from my side now with a last statement that such a trivial thing is not even nearly comparable switching between any other two languages, especially from or to C++.

Sorry, I didn't mean it to be offensive, it was just supposed to be a way to describe a view I felt was exactly what I said - simplistic. Even now you're asserting that enforcing virtual class methods is trivial when in reality that fact alone would make it easier to port from C++ to C# than from Java to C# (in fact, it's impossible to do a 1:1 port). And that's just one design difference.

3 hours ago, Gnollrunner said:

i.e. Cutting edge 3D games and other math intensive and mission critical software. It's all relative. If performance really isn't an issue we can write everything in Python.

If C# works for what you are doing then go ahead and use it.   I'm certainly not telling anyone what language they should program in. However C++ still exists because there is a need for it.

 

I mostly agree with what you've said.

I wasn't trying to imply that you were being dishonest, I just personally thought your take didn't tell the full story. You're not lying, I didn't mean to imply that, sorry!

For the record, I'm not much of a C# user, I just think it's designed a lot better than C++. I also feel that the hate for GC is mostly unfounded for most problems.

[Redacted](using unsafe pointers is a pretty easy way to avoid the GC in C# btw)

I fully agree about cutting edge 3D games - C# would be terrible for that, but that was also the exact problem I was talking about for C++. That being said, most of us aren't making cutting edge 3D games and that's why it's cool to use scripting languages or really any language you want.

 

 

 

 

On 8/22/2019 at 4:43 AM, TMII said:

Since C# was and still is a plain Java copy from Microsoft and since both have developed in parallel nearly in the same direction during the last ten years, I wonder what you are speaking about. Syntax, functionality and philosophy wise they are basically the same with a different naming scheme. 

That may have been true of C# 1.0 (nearly two decades ago!) but it hasn't been true for a very long time.

C++ will NEVER replace higher level languages such as C# or python. Just like those languages will NEVER replace C++.