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[color=#000000][font=sans-serif][size=1]-Algorithms and Data Structure programmation[/font]
[color=#000000][font=sans-serif][size=1]- Introduction to 2D and 3D imagery, modeling and animation[/font]
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What do you think of this game design Bachelors degree with Major.
Without reading a syllabus of each course, it's kind of hard to determine the quality of the degree program.
These are all good things to know, but aren't necessarily "game design" - for instance, much of the programming and computer science stuff has nothing to do with what game designers typically do all day. Game design often encompasses far more than just math and programming - you need to know things like history, art, music, philosophy, writing... those are more important to being a good game designer than OpenGL or DirectX knowledge.
Honestly... my gut feeling is to be very, very cautious around any degree that promises it will teach you to "make games." Game development comprises a lot of different fields and disciplines, and you typically need to be fairly specialized in one of those disciplines to have a good shot at really doing anything noteworthy in the games industry.
Of course, if your goal is to get a second or third degree now that you've retired and want to start a new hobby, well, that's different. Since we don't know what your goals/objectives are in considering this degree, it's hard to say if it's good for you.
These are all good things to know, but aren't necessarily "game design" - for instance, much of the programming and computer science stuff has nothing to do with what game designers typically do all day. Game design often encompasses far more than just math and programming - you need to know things like history, art, music, philosophy, writing... those are more important to being a good game designer than OpenGL or DirectX knowledge.
Honestly... my gut feeling is to be very, very cautious around any degree that promises it will teach you to "make games." Game development comprises a lot of different fields and disciplines, and you typically need to be fairly specialized in one of those disciplines to have a good shot at really doing anything noteworthy in the games industry.
Of course, if your goal is to get a second or third degree now that you've retired and want to start a new hobby, well, that's different. Since we don't know what your goals/objectives are in considering this degree, it's hard to say if it's good for you.
From a pure software developer point of view (not game related), it looks good. Only thing I'd say is missing is Databases (SQL, Normalisation, and all that) and possibly Internet Programming like website design, javascript, etc. (alot of games run on browsers now).
In terms of game design, I'd agree with ApochPiQ who says you need creative skills as well as programming skills.
In terms of game design, I'd agree with ApochPiQ who says you need creative skills as well as programming skills.
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In fact I could send you a description of each classes but they're in french so if you wanna try to google translate them, you could.
http://programmes.uqac.ca/6908 ( to reach a description of a class, scrolls down until you see a big list of things. the first list are the mendatory classes. the green text on the left of the list, if you click them you can reach the description.)
First and foremost I only put up there the mendatory classes. but you also have to take 10 options wich can include stuff like history and philosophy. Also, I live in Canada in the Province of Quebec. Where I live we dont go from Highschool to university directly. we have to fo through CEGEP first and CEGEP is an institution that teaches advanced notions before you go to university in various fields (so Philosophy, Communication, History, Sciences are all mendatory in CEGEP (they are still post-high school studies) and you have to go to CEGEP before University and what i've shown you is 4 year university program.
http://programmes.uqac.ca/6908 ( to reach a description of a class, scrolls down until you see a big list of things. the first list are the mendatory classes. the green text on the left of the list, if you click them you can reach the description.)
First and foremost I only put up there the mendatory classes. but you also have to take 10 options wich can include stuff like history and philosophy. Also, I live in Canada in the Province of Quebec. Where I live we dont go from Highschool to university directly. we have to fo through CEGEP first and CEGEP is an institution that teaches advanced notions before you go to university in various fields (so Philosophy, Communication, History, Sciences are all mendatory in CEGEP (they are still post-high school studies) and you have to go to CEGEP before University and what i've shown you is 4 year university program.
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From a pure software developer point of view (not game related), it looks good. Only thing I'd say is missing is Databases (SQL, Normalisation, and all that) and possibly Internet Programming like website design, javascript, etc. (alot of games run on browsers now).
In terms of game design, I'd agree with ApochPiQ who says you need creative skills as well as programming skills.
There are options for the subjects you are talking about i will think about choosing them.
Here are the descriptions of the Game Related classes.
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Thats the best google could achieve.
Overall my impression is that the course is too well rounded.
Now this is not entirely a bad thing, but I get this feeling this course will get you introduced to many components of game development but makes you a master of none.
For a game designer it is certainly useful to know and have some experience with the other professions such as programming and art, but only to a certain extend.
The one thing I can tell, the course doesn't seem focused towards making you a decent game designer.
Or it simply could the course is wrongly labelled and they actually aim to educate you as a game programmer. The course is way too programmer heavy for a game design course.
If this is the case, the fact they mislabeled it should be a major warning sign. You'll have to worry about what else they're mistaken on.
Subjectively, this may be translation errors, but it comes somewhat across as a lot of babbling about things they don't really understand or realize the scope off.
The AI course lists several high level topics that could take the entire course to teach you in a meaningful way. Which would lead me to believe they either don't realize the scope or will just give brief introductions.
AI is strangely enough also the only subject where they seem to go into this much depth. Meanwhile there's several other areas of programming that would be essential for your game programmer toolset they don't even mention.
You'd best see if they have something like an open day and talk to students, see how they feel about the course.
My impression is that the balance is completely off and based on that likely more is wrong with the entire course.
Now this is not entirely a bad thing, but I get this feeling this course will get you introduced to many components of game development but makes you a master of none.
For a game designer it is certainly useful to know and have some experience with the other professions such as programming and art, but only to a certain extend.
The one thing I can tell, the course doesn't seem focused towards making you a decent game designer.
Or it simply could the course is wrongly labelled and they actually aim to educate you as a game programmer. The course is way too programmer heavy for a game design course.
If this is the case, the fact they mislabeled it should be a major warning sign. You'll have to worry about what else they're mistaken on.
Subjectively, this may be translation errors, but it comes somewhat across as a lot of babbling about things they don't really understand or realize the scope off.
The AI course lists several high level topics that could take the entire course to teach you in a meaningful way. Which would lead me to believe they either don't realize the scope or will just give brief introductions.
AI is strangely enough also the only subject where they seem to go into this much depth. Meanwhile there's several other areas of programming that would be essential for your game programmer toolset they don't even mention.
You'd best see if they have something like an open day and talk to students, see how they feel about the course.
My impression is that the balance is completely off and based on that likely more is wrong with the entire course.
These are all good things to know, but aren't necessarily "game design" - for instance, much of the programming and computer science stuff has nothing to do with what game designers typically do all day. Game design often encompasses far more than just math and programming - you need to know things like history, art, music, philosophy, writing... those are more important to being a good game designer than OpenGL or DirectX knowledge.
This. My advice is to take the course, but also buy a ton of books on Game Design, from Amazon. Learn about game design in your own personal time, in addition to official studies.
Also, one of the most overlooked sources of information, as I see it, is Youtube and player feedback on Let's Plays and whatnot. Note that players do not typically give educated feedback (because most players aren't CS experts), but that's irrelevant to my point. They're still providing crucial feedback, provided that you couple it with social science and psychology to understand why the players give that feedback.
To the other replies in this thread, I'd like to point out that Game Design isn't something you master from studies anyways, so it's enough to get a rough introduction to things (so that you know what to continue to study after the course is over). It's called Bachelor's Degree for a reason, after all. The biggest priority is to just understand methodology, abstractions, paradigms, practicing/improving your creativity and also to learn how to best acquire feedback from other game designers. The rest will come naturally in the aftermath of that.
But indeed, game design IS a life-long study outside of the classroom.
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Or it simply could the course is wrongly labelled and they actually aim to educate you as a game programmer. The course is way too programmer heavy for a game design course.
If this is the case, the fact they mislabeled it should be a major warning sign. You'll have to worry about what else they're mistaken on.
Considering the fact that designer is rarely an entry position in the game industry im guessing that the expect people to become game programmers first. Also its a 4 years program not one year like the art institutes, full sail or something else. Lastly, the course has been designer in cooperation with Ubisoft Montreal (I Think its the largest studio in the world) Since the Quebec industry is growing very fast.
Be aware im not trying to sell this program but I have difficulty understanding whats wrong with it. except for the part where you say its too well rounded and that you are introduced to too many things. But again, its 4 years to have all these classes not 1.
@ KenjiSenpai:
If it's Ubisoft Montreal and 4 years, then complete the *bleep* outta that class
If it's Ubisoft Montreal and 4 years, then complete the *bleep* outta that class
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Or it simply could the course is wrongly labelled and they actually aim to educate you as a game programmer. The course is way too programmer heavy for a game design course.
If this is the case, the fact they mislabeled it should be a major warning sign. You'll have to worry about what else they're mistaken on.
Considering the fact that designer is rarely an entry position in the game industry im guessing that the expect people to become game programmers first. Also its a 4 years program not one year like the art institutes, full sail or something else. Lastly, the course has been designer in cooperation with Ubisoft Montreal (I Think its the largest studio in the world) Since the Quebec industry is growing very fast.
Be aware im not trying to sell this program but I have difficulty understanding whats wrong with it. except for the part where you say its too well rounded and that you are introduced to too many things. But again, its 4 years to have all these classes not 1.
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I'm very much aware it's a 4 year course.
I've written everything with the assumption it's a 4 year course.
As for designer not being an entry position. This is not entirely true.
There are game designer entry positions, you just may not find them at [large studio of your choice].
It's the same with entry positions in different professions in the industry.
I personally work with several designers without a programmer or art background.
I'll still state the course seems way too heavily focused on programming for a game design course.
But then considering the course as a way to educate you as a game programmer, the balance still seems off.
If your goal is to become a game designer you might want to see if you can find something with a heavier focus on game design and related subjects.
An introduction to programming is fine, going all the way to neural networks is a waste of your time.
Whenever they include "neutral networks" among other subjects I highly suspect them to just list everything they thought was cool to attract new students and completely disregarded making a well balanced course.
Like I previously mentioned, there's a strange heavy focus on AI and programming in general that is very much out of place and out of scale with the rest of the course.
You may also want to note, if you'd enter the industry as a programmer and switch designer, you'd likely be taking a pay cut.
You really need to take a skeptical look at the course and see if they can back up their claims.
If possible, see if you can somehow talk to some graduates.
You can't become a game designer, artist and programmer at the same time.
A course that aims to do all of that will leave you with a skillset that won't get you hired in any of those 3 positions.
That's what I fear the most when reading the descriptions.
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